Well, here is a picture of laura's hands after applying the morph (at -.5) If you notice, her limits are set to .5, which, IMHO might indicate that the dial wouldn't yeild good results at values smaller than that Jim, I wonder if you are scaling the palm down? Your trouble is very different than mine. In the cr2 there is a palm FBM as well. I copied those lines as well, though, I'm not sure it did any good. They only affect the hand, and the first portion of the digit extending from the hand. As for it being the latest and greatest technology, I realize this is hardly new. Actually, I think the idea for it came from philC or from another poster here at renderosity, so I don't even credit DAZ with the idea....but, Vicky's hands have always look clumsy to me, so I was happy to see it. And Jim, I agree that your treatment of *Vs hands were much improved. But, again, that is hardly news:) eric