One other thing about Mover 5, it is not a stand alone program and here is the direct quote from E-ON "--it will not function without a valid installation of Vue d'Esprit or Vue Professional. Each Mover 5 license corresponds to a unique Vue d'Esprit (or Vue Professional) license. Similarly, Poser 4 or 5 animations will not be loaded without a valid installation of Poser 4 or 5 (Poser Pro Pack is not required)." Vue d'Esprit for version 5 is now called VUE 5. Randym77, I certainly agree with you, Vue 5 is 5 is extremely easy to learn and use. If I can learn it, anybody can-Plutom