The one advantage with BodyPaint when used as a module in Cinema4D is instantaneous feedback. You get to see the image texture on the target model as you edit. And you can paint directly on the 3D model. These definitely have obvious advantages - especially for seams! :)<<< Now that's what I had in mind. This type of integration would be worth money and learning-curve investment. For me it would influence which 'next level up' 3D app I learn. Does anyone know of another combination at any price that works this way? Otherwise, it's no big deal to use two apps, bascically whatever happens to fit the budget or have legacy. For instance, I have legacy NEVER mentioned on Renderosity, a fine 2D app called Canvas by Deneba, which I've been using for almost 10 years. It has an advanced paint mode that allows many of the needed functions...layering, brushes, color balance filters, blur/sharpen, etc. and also has a vector graphics mode. It can make animated gifs, html output from layout and export direct to pdf. It's not an app you'd normally reccomend to someone to start into, but I have little motive to go elsewhere for 2D unless I could get really tight integration with 3D. ::::: Opera :::::