Thanks so much guys!!!!! Yep, sure did have a lot of fun, Pat, although kemal and I were practically numb by the time we came inside! Eric, haha yeah right! wanna see my what my nightshots looked like before you helped me....well, this is one of my first attempts...i think taken 2 yrs ago?? Huge difference!!!!!! You can see i was NOT pulling your leg and desperately needed some help!!!!! What a difference some good advice makes!!!!!! :) Thanks!!!!!!!