Thanks gps, that is what I was looking for. The advantage of the low rez V3/M3. They still look great in P5 with P5's smoothing. dlfurman. There are ways to do all that. The morphs for the feet would be no problem. Transfer the morphs with Morph Manager. You could even save time buy dialing the foot morph to a sock first. Wrinkles, nothing a displacment/bump map can't do. I agree it all takes time. Some like me have fun doing something like that. Others don't have the time or plain don't like doing it. Nothing wrong with that. It makes for a more intersting place to look in on. Kind of reminds me of my music. The more I know, the more I realize I don't know.