"And you're right, switching to P4 renderer does it fine, but without the effects I want." In my experience P4 renderer hangs in the exact same way, every day. I have shadows turned off, not using very complex lights, and with 3 figures and only one or two conformers per figure, no props, no background objects, it hangs on "Loading Textures" Unnacceptable. There has to be a way to kick poser out of that, we are on service pack 4 now, there has got to be SOMETHING we can do for this. I have a 3.2 ghz system with 1.5 GB ram and a new 400mhz board. I have my virtual memory settings tweaked specifically for poser5 compatibility, according to all the stuff i've read. yet it still does this. I dont care how long it takes to render, i just need to be able to either CANCEL a failed render, or make it finish rendering somehow. I don't even bother with Firefly as I do so many renders I need them done fairly quickly. Is there any more info that's come to light about this?