i truly don't see many of the current group of poser users doing much with Shade. I have just seen too many of those discussions justifying the use of all premade/out of the box Poser stuff as "tools". To me, it apprears that the majority of Poser users don't want to go to the trouble to learn modelling. So many don't even realize that almost all the Vicki's in the gallery look alike. I think Shade is a good idea, but, I doubt that many will even bother to try and learn it. My 2cents, at any rate.