Back to the rendering problesm: I just remembered that some of the Neftis hair props released with Poser 5 caused some serious problems with renders. You mentioned using dynamic hair - is it one of the Neftis models? Could be the cause of the crashes, since the scene you describe is not overly heavy. On the other hand, dynamic hair is often a big problem for the render engine - I couldn't render a scene with only a single figure wearing a few clothing items at high resolution and quality when using dynamic hair - replacing it with transmapped hair solved the problem nicely (1200x1600 pix, default production settings, three spotlights - one with volumetrics, rendered in about 90 minutes). I haven't found a distinct pattern in what the P4 render engine and Firefly can handle and can't handle. Some of my scenes rendered fine in the P4 renderer and crashed on Firefly, others refused to render in the P4 renderer and rendered fine - and fast! - in Firefly. But no real pattern. I almost always use Firefly, I use volumetric lighting and raytracing on a very regular basis, and procedural materials in just about everything. And I completely agree with AntoniaTiger about the need for a STABLE render engine. I don't mind waiting, but I want the render to FINISH! Still, I ordered P6. I don't expect updates for Poser 5, since CL didn't do any updates for P4/PP after P5 came out either (renaming Poser 4 to Poser Artist is not an update in my books). I can understand that a small company like CL just doesn't have the resources to support all their older products. But I do expect them to support P6 in a decent way (at least, I hope they will....)

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