muahahaha i got the first render in the gallery!! that by the way is the swrod i've made .. or at least one of them :) I used to work at a company that was kinda slow .. and i took my laptop with me and would play with stuff between calls.. i have all sorts of stuff in my "in progress" folder :) Image is here: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=909116&Start=1&Sectionid=0&filter_genre_id=0&WhatsNew=Yes