Well, Wabe it just doesnt make sense to go into business to loss money and credibility. Id like to think that DAZ is trying to do it right, from the start. After all, they did sink a nice chunk of change into buying it from Corel. I too started with Bryce when it first made its move into the PC world. And they werent ready for it. They pushed out a Windows version that crippled most machines and there were a lot of unhappy campers, myself included. Felt like they got your money and said why not let the consumer be beta tester and be the end user all at the same time. Ive also tried Vue 2, skipped 3 and bought 4. Vue 4 is still sitting idle somewhere in my computer. Tried it a few times and got turned off, I saw Vue as a Bryce wannabe. If Vue doesnt pull far ahead of Bryce after Bryces been laying around in mothballs all these years then they would deserve to loss their market share, thats business. Seems to me that DAZ is taking its time to get it right, at least, thats what Im hoping. Hey, if at the end they dont produce, then most of us wont have a choice but to move on to better pastures. After all, cant just sit around forever while the Johnny-come-lately whizzes by. For the time being, Im keeping the faith.