Jim, What do you mean about what you have in Free Stuff? I haven't checked out the Free Stuff in quite a while. Is it a hand fix for Vickie? Because I've noticed the problem. Actually, I've only noticed one problem, which is if you scale her left hand down, the index finger joint gets all out of whack. I'm sure there are other problems, but I spent alot of time trying to fix that and simply gave up, without looking into other problems. I noticed ONE thing that's changed: With the non-patched Vickie, you know the way she loads kind of on a slant? Well, rotating her hip on x is no good, so you have to undo the inverse kinematics, bend her legs straight and then reposition her to get her standing up straight. Or, you can just choose Figure>Edit>Restore Figure, and she'll straighten out, but her feet will also be straight, and below the floor. With the new Vickie, that doesn't happen; you have to straighten her out manually. I really have to wonder why DAZ: A) felt the need to release a "new" Vickie with no immediately apparent improvements, and evidently NOT fixing the ONE thing many have noticed--the hand problem (what about the "eye thing"-- I haven't looked yet?) and, B) To do so with no write-up whatsoever. It REALLY just blows my mind when I think that they can't include a simple Read Me to tell us "what" and "why"... Cheers, Mike