i hear you elizabyte, and i do try to make them look as appealing as i can,with the admittedly bad default lighting. but showing what your really buying no frills added, tends to avoid things like this completely. i was just more or less disagreeing with the idea that it should be common practice that the mechants use special light setups,rendering it in this and selling it in that, postworking in photoshop, etc. and the buyer should just take into account that, yeah this is the kind of results you can get, "with 8 hours worth of tweaking lights photoshop manip,color correction sharpening etc." with the "all at the click of the render button" sales pitch. its deceptive, i know it happens all the time, everywhere...in my eyes that still doesnt make it right. J.B.