tank you Wolf I'll check'em out. Why is it that some characters that are uploaded have these screwed up Joint parametters anyway. Is the creator just obliviouse to the necessity of making the adjustments to present a nice product or what?. Surely if its not working at all on my computer, the same occured on the creators. When I get a figure that appears screwed up I do two things first I zero the entire figure in the Joint editor. Then if that doesn't put the figure in a Poser default pose then I hit restore figure and that sometimes sets things proper. Often it doesn't. But if I do have a figure that "works out" then will there be a high potential for screwed up animations from say attaching a BVH file? I have seen a problem yet but thought I'd ask.