"The answer to that is simple. Default poser lighting is crap and nothing is going to look good in it" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you!! and I see no reason for merchants to waste our limited store space posting Crappy unflattering rendersof our products to show how bad lighting can ruin a good composition . there are plenty of such renders in the galleries already that sums it up quite nicely. i think that postworking beyond painting some hair, brightness/contrast or adding a drop-shadow behind your character/object is shady. but a merchant should be able to exercise whatever skill they have in lighting, rendering, etc in their promos. working on a product for months and then slapping up a crappy render in the poser default lighting to make it look like a flat discolored mess isnt doing your product any justice, and is totally unfair to the merchant. part of the problem is that many merchants have other 3D apps - and theyre rendering their products in Max, Lightwave (cough Daz), Cinema4D, etc. whenever something is rendered in a non-poser app it should be clearly specified in the promos. if your product is going to look different in P5 than it will for P4 users, then that should be specified as well. Offhand i could list a couple dozen merchants who i know are not rendering their promos in Poser yet nowhere do they specify this -- and you can bet your life that something rendered in Mental Ray, finalRender, renderman, brazil, etc is going to make a Poser render look like trash in comparison. i believe that if you are marketing a product for the poser community then all of your promos should be done in poser - the same medium in which the product will be used, and not in a professional 3D app. however if you lack the morality to do this then at least specify what app you rendered it in and have at least one promo rendered in the program youre marketing the product for. cheers, -gabriel