dont you think this entire line of threads youve started is a little harsh? you do realise that youre trashing two vendors right now, right? now no matter how i say this im going to sound like an ass - but so be it: perhaps before you look for a failing in the product you should try and improve your lighting skills. many merchants dont cheat, theyve just been at this for half a decade or more and know poser lighting like the back of their hand. is this something they should be punished for? should they have to publish unflattering renders of their products because of this? i go out of my way to include lighting tutorials with my products so that customers can get the most out of their purchase, but no product in the marketplace is packaged along with poser experience. if you expect to find a skin texture that looks good in the poser default lighting then dont hold your breath: one does not exist. this is because the poser default lighting has one PINK and one GREEN light globe, as well as an overly yellowish main one. if you set your material color to white you can see this - it severely distorts colors. not only that but the globes are placed in such a way as to totally distort the front of the model with overlapping shadows - you can get much better results just by moving the globes a bit and setting their colors to neutral ones. please take a moment and consider wether or not your complaint about a product is due to an actual failing of the product, or stems from your inability to use it to its full potential. the latter is nothing to be ashamed about, but neither is it an excuse to publicly trash the merchant's product in several threads. cheers, -gabriel (jim - very cute morph btw)