The problem is that this would have to go to court in order to be settled once and for all. DAZ is banking (probably correctly too) on that not happening. You'd have to go and check way back in the dawn of time (Poser 1 or whatever version started including Zygote figures) as to what joint parameter/uv information was made available to Zygote by CL (this includes the info in the manual at the time). As DAZ is the spawn of Zygote I'm sure information filtered down to them from CL. The JP information available today was not developed by DAZ alone - they freely usurp developents/discoveries made by 3rd party modellers incorporate it into their products and imply that it now belongs to them and is integral to their products. Even injection technology was (if I recall correctly) not discovered by DAZ. A 3rd party modeller (and I forget who it was) posted a rather heated message in the forum stating he contacted DAZ with the idea, was turned down, and lo and behold there it appeared in their products and he got not even a thank you. (This was maybe 3 or more years ago). If they succeed at this (and likely they will because nobody wants the cost/irritation of a lawsuit) they effectively put a ceiling on the quality of product available. Because 3rd parties have repeatedly shown they can do better with DAZ droppings but they're not allowed to (piss on the customer). This effectively insures versions 4 through infinity of any product because DAZ will improve the model as much as DAZ wants to, saving more for the future versions (purchases), and 3rd parties won't be allowed to do anything. Anyone thinking DAZ does not want the entire Poser market needs to wake up. If they were achieving this with knock down quality I wouldn't care, but when they rein in 3rd parties with debatable tactics it stinks. And then they whine about not having made back the money from the Bryce purchase, prices over there go up, but they "found" themselves in a position to buy Poserpros. Were they all sitting around one morning and stumbled upon the cash? Gee, must have been a fun meeting.