Yeah... we have heard this one before. So many, many times, that it isn't surprising. Jim Burton with Lori was a good issue and commonly known, but there are other figures which have also been bound, gagged, and stifled merely because they were good enough to be competition. I have notes about several such cases, and will add Sixus1 to my list. Who suffers? We suffer. Lack of choice. Great... we get macaroni arms and slanted eyes and pinheads, and are brainwashed into believing that this is the epitome of female beauty... must be because all the marketplace stuff is for her. :sigh: This is a capitalistic country and DAZ is very good at playing the game of investing capital by buying out the products of others and removing all competition from the playing field. Our opinions as customers don't matter when rich men gather, whether it be the courthouses or halls of congress. The most successful and respected folks are the ones who know how to make money from the work of others. Another round of applause for DAZ. Me? I will not work on a product for DAZ, a product which supports a DAZ figure, or anything else where my sweat equity and skill go into their coffers. And, if I came up with a competing item I wouldn't show WIPs because otherwise they'd cut me off at the pass like they've done to some other folks I respect highly. If I dropped it into the market, I'd get at least a couple of weeks of sales before they cut in. I've downloaded M3 and V3, but not unzipped them. If their EULA could be read so as to be that expansive, the zips will go into the trash. I don't need them, even for free... I already have a headache. And if I did make product for sale, I'd be 100% certain that it wouldn't fit any of the DAZ figures. Carolly the Unamused