oh - and by trying to protect the V3 body 'shape', ill tell you exactly what they are doing. right now, pretty much 90% of the marketplace as far as clothing and textures are concerned are for the V2/V3 mesh and UV maps. by trying to keep others from creating a shape that will wear vicky clothes, or a figure that accepts V3 textures, they are trying to safeguard against the inevitable that modellers will make a V3/M3 replacement. this is also the reason that V3/M3 is now free. beyond what i think is a hideous default body/face, i think V3 is an excellent model. its a shame that Daz's lust for profit clouds their vision as to who the real enemy is here - its definitely not the content providers and merchants who have been fueling the sales of their models for years now. unfortunately rather than realise this they just keep making it worse. id honestly like to see them protect a body style. they could copyright a mesh, or a morph from a mesh - but a shape? good luck. and if CL wants to play hardball - they own everything that daz has created for poser anyway (beyond the actual .obj) since their license claims ownership of all the poser file formats. id like to see either of these companies actually try to enforce their rediculously oppressive licenses. the content-creation market would dry up so fucking fast they wouldnt know what hit them, theyd both be cutting their own throats.