'mac, though isn't ERC born from what was already present in what we call a "full body morph" and is just applied to other dials rather than morph dials linked to the Body. Seems to be just new ways for an old trick ;)' Joseph, It's an unimportant issue, given the general topic of this thread, but yes, ERC was already present in poser. Rob and Charles just developed it into something incredibly useful. Just like INJ/REM, which started out in life as the humble readscript command to load the default figure. It's true that Rob didn't 'invent' these things, but he sure as hell took them way beyond anything CL ever imagined. mac