And, further, in the spirit of the Infinite Sum Game, if anyone CAN create models that indeed do not violate the property rights of DAZ but DO take the Vicki textures/clothes, more power to them, whether it be Sixus or any other vendor who takes PhilC's royalty-free mesh or Masha from TurboSquid and figures out some way to make her take the vast V3 texture and clothing libraries. But that is playing on the edge, or in a house of C-4 as noted above. ::::: Opera :::::