Good posts, dan. Hopefully, people will be able to see it from your POV if they try putting the shoe on the other foot too. I'd just like to echo what dan said about cooler. Cooler now works for DAZ, but for many years before that, he spent all his time chasing down pirated poser warez of ALL types, and getting the offending sites closed down. He's posted a lot of solid legal information on poser sites, and I've NEVER seen anything offensive or insulting from him. mac