ehh. re-reading my post (while i waited like 2 min for it to post, bloody slow dial-up)i may have used some strong words. underhanded, etc. anyways, you know what i mean. i definitely agree that lilin seems to have went too far in that it seems to be not just a character that supports V3 clothing but one that tries to replace/duplicate vicky. that would be a big kick in the @$$ for daz who spent so much time marketing and developing it.. although since V3 is free i dont see why people wouldnt just stay with the original. but.. my point is that in case some other figure comes along that will wear most V3 clothing yet isnt an exact duplicate (and yes, it can be done). i understand why you at daz might not like it - but it is something that you have done yourselves in the past. its that double-standard im pointing out.