qouting aae991 "I don't understand why people STILL insist on criticizing the technology. WHY? Geez, give it some time for the "newness" to wear off. Who cares if people are having fun with "populated" scenes? That's human nature - AND a good thing! Why should there always have to be workarounds to achieve our goals? I'm tired of trying to create ways to make decent looking forests. I'm tired of watching my system resources drop to zero - whether it's Vue, or Bryce, or whatever. If the software can make new and powerful images an easier goal to attain, what is wrong with that? If you don't like the "over-populated" Vue 5I images, no one is making you look at them. I can't wait until my copy of Vue 5I arrives - not to make as many objects as I can, but to make my images look like I want them to look. The software is only a tool to make art - it can't substitute for creativity and inspiration. In the weeks and months to come, the work produced by Vue 5I will get better and better. Let's approach it with excitement and anticipation. That's a much more enjoyable way to see things..." end qoute AMEN :) Great artists has always used the best tools available for their time, technology cant kill art, lack of progress and imagination can hurt it tho, so lets be grateful for e.on improving on the tools and features of vue. Eco systems is just one out of several REALY important improvements to the vue lineup in v5Infinite, especialy when it comes to integrating vue with a real workstudio pipeline.