"The admins don't think it's a problem." bonni, Even if you are on the inside arguing against the so-called HOT20, and producing evidence of abuse including bribery and intimidation, it doesn't matter. My best arguments (with linked images and included quotes) were for nought. Even suggesting alternatives to replace it were for nought. Even suggesting mechanics to minimize the worst of the abuse were for nought. We have been complaining about this for years and years and years, but the last partial patch on the bleeding wound was in 2001, IIRC. It is possible that 1 or 2 of the admins might feel that there is a problem, but not enough to tip the iceberg. And if they do see a problem, it is with people complaining, and not with the actual feature which they regard as a plus to the site. This is a hobbyist's site, financed by hobbyists buying from their favorite merchants... who are all going huggie-kissie to each other's images and keeping those ads high in the rankings so that other hobbyists can see their wares. It is an ugly battlefield, but until all the admins have to walk the galleries daily and read all the comments over months worth of time, they will never see the broken glass and bitterweed and bloodied egos, and they certainly will not see the patterns behind the behavior and the armed camps of desperate merchants. Compare this to an elementary school where the principal is shocked to discover that some kid shot another... without walking the halls, he'd have no way of knowing that the kids had formed cliques and had been fighting for months... until the bodies get carried away. Well, we've lost good artists due to the hot20 cliques, and the PTB still don't recognize that guns are being brought into the classroom. Carolly