Tibsy, I was referring to the geriatrics around us, not our age difference!! Solo, it's exactly that sort of story that frightens me AND makes me gag when I get my insurance renewals.... when you see someone who can hardly walk, barely see and has the reactions of a sloth climbing in or out of a car... shudders Just today I had the pleasure of having to bang on the boot of a car in a car park becuase he hadn't bothered looking behind him before reversing.... and got within a few inches of actually pushing me and our youngest over - thankfully he was reversing slowly. He couldn't have been a day older than 70, I'm sure. I'm not age-ist or anything, but I honestly think that once people are over 55 they should have to take reaction tests to be on the road. More and more people are living longer and longer, and the very design of cars these days makes them too comfortable. IMO it's a deadly combination. (",)