Well said. I am looking forward to owning V5I. And I will say that there are a lot of talented artists at Renderosity. Especially in the VUE community. And there are lot of future creative minds. Those bad pictures you see now, will be the beginnings of future masterpieces. And who judges what is bad artwork and what is good. If the person learning something new in the process isn't it worth it to post it. This was a good discussion though. Always interesting to see what people think. Brian