Jim: Sounds like I wound up needlessly reinventing the wheel with my own character based on Vicky, because a month or two ago I did pretty much the same kind of arduous, thankless work. My figure is a very slimmed down, petite, girlish version of Vicky & when I got to the hands, it was obvious that I had some very boring work to do with the joint parameters. At first, I thought somewhere along the line I had created the problem myself due to sloppy saving of an interim file or something of that sort. Here's a plea to Zygote for the next version of Vicky, if she ever makes it out of the shop: Please design a set of hands that can be globally scaled up or down, instead of joint by joint. Also, it would be nice if Zygote published joint parameter data for the default characters so we could all have reliable base data to refer to when screwing around in the dreaded JE. Thanks for your additional comments.