so here is my explanations: First of all I was talking about vue gallery at renderosity not a whole site: KITSH - in my opinions its a 15 minutes render made just to post something @wabe "Oh well, how about helping people to do better? It is always easy to complain but not to participate and help - with comments critiques or answering technical questions." I was trying to post a critique comments many times but next comments stopped me from doing @dlk30341 so here are my examples of kitsh http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=909945 http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=909926 http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=911183 to compare a few excellent renders: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=511861 http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=553894 http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=907221 Generally I agree with most of your opinions but: - how can we help the community if "15 minutes renders" get excellent ranks ? - how could we improve the quality of renders if there are no any critique comments ?