ehh, after sleeping on this another night perhaps this isnt such a horrible thing. i mean really.. if someone comes into the market and creates a new figure, with a unique yet appealing body style on the quality level of V2/V3 is that such a bad thing? why must it be the same body shape as V3? if people have to purchase new clothing for that model, so be it. few people use the first clothing packs out for these models anyway, its usually the latest thing that gets used the most. and to be brutally honest (without naming any names) the reason that a lot of these models have not succeeded - besides shaken confidence in the 3rd party models due to infringements such as the one recently by nesterenko in alexa - is because they arent on the same level of quality. one of these figures, while being a decent looking model, had some serious issues with her hands and joints, and the last time i looked they still werent fixed. why the hell should i bother supporting a figure if the creator wont invest the effort to fix areas like this? another one had very skillfully modelled breasts, each perhaps higher res than posette in her entirety, but lacked finer details like properly modelled nostrils, corners of the mouth and the geometry around the eye. another one looked decent and had a lot of morphing capability but was just far too wasteful a mesh: people need to learn that 'ultra high res' isnt necessarily a GOOD thing. there is no need for 50,000 polys in a breast because a breast has very little detail. its a spherical object, perhaps subdivision of the polys near the crease beneath them gives a nicer and more natural blend to the body but having a 50,000 poly breast is incredibly wasteful. breasts (well, in terms of poser) never have wrinkles or lumps or strange geometry so a simple couple hundred poly shape is more than sufficient given poser's aggressive smoothing. so what im trying to say is that while these alternative figures are nice in that they add variety to the marketplace, the shame is that most just end up looking like poorly made vicky clones. when i see a mesh that has an appealing non-vicky shape and is put together with the same level of quality and intention of support them i will jump on it immediately, and so will a lot of other merchants. cheers, -gabriel