ok Cermit. What is art, what is kitch. One of the very popular artists: Jeff Koons http://www.artnet.de/ag/fineartthumbnails.asp?aid=9741 Be aware, there could be pornographic images under the images. Another one - Andy Warhol, a Polish artist. Especially his piss pictures - not more than 15 minutes to create i think (otherwise i would be very surprised). Ok, next one, a German painter, Carl Spitzweg http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/s/spitzweg/index.html Oh well. Another one: Caspar David Friedrichs http://www.artprints-on-demand.co.uk/noframes/friedrich/thumbs.htm More? Ok. Joseph Boys to name a more modern one. His fat corners probably didn't took more than 15 minutes to make. You can like the above artists or not but one thing is clear. The art scene does see them as big artists. How long someone works on an image has absolutely nothing to do with art or not. Absolutely nothing. It has to do with capabilities, yes. But that is another issue. Your link list Cermit. Without checking it i can say it shows that there are cliques. As it is in every group bigger than two. Even in the supergroup Cgtalk i am sure there are. What does this tell us? Nothing. Like it or not, it is natural and unavoidable. I agree, that people should try to make images as good as they can. But maybe there are some that cannot do better. They are not allowed to post here it seems. Are you the one that decide who is allowed and who not? I only can hope i am. A last point. I am sure there are cultural differences as well. I don't know about Poland but here in Germany i have the feeling that often only bad critics are honest ones - a lot people think. In other countries it is different so that words can easily be wrongly interpretated.

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