Dialyn, I have seen many, many of these discussions, in the Terragen community, and in links from there to several others on Rendo. Not once in any of those threads I have read has anyone spoken up passionately in favor of the Hot 20. I have never seen a message saying "No, don't take the Hot 20 away, I love it!" The vast majority who post seem to see it as problematic at the least, and I think many would not mind if it were simply gone, although I think most would prefer it to be simply fixed somehow. Perhaps it is an unspoken majority who don't post in the forums who are in favor of it. If that's the case, I say to hell with them. Clearly they're only here to show off or have their ego stroked, not to participate in the real community. Not to share ideas, techniques, etc. Not to give, but to take. Who needs 'em? So I say if anyone really loves the Hot 20 and wants it to stay the way it is, speak up now! - Oshyan