http://www.exploratorium.edu/snacks/colored_shadows.html While a simplification this link explains that shadows are not black and white, and why. If the argument is that colored shadows are ugly all I can say is that is an interpritation, not a proof, quite different. I thought VanGogh was ugly for the longest time, now I can appricate it. Software interpritations of real world lighting and rendering are getting better and better all the time. Maya's render engine is quite powerful, yet the MentalRay render engine is a more powerful renderer for Maya. Also the comment that Poser 6 is doing it wrong might just be the artist not the application, remember that all the promo pictures posted so far for Poser 6 are from Beta testers. If the software a chance to be shipped, try it and make your statement after you have used it, maybe others have a way to acheive what you are looking for in your renders. That is what this forum is all about. Just another tid bit, CL did not create the Poser 6 renderer. It is a licenced render engine, so the fault might not be CL or Poser.