I am working at it! following pdxjim's plan. This is how far I am now. I have not used P5 before, just opened it a few days ago. So I have to take a break and read the manual a bit. Jim's suggestions worked okay except that when I loaded the minotaur in P5 part of the leg was always missing. So I had to load it and work in P4 where I had it installed all along. Managed to save it as an obj. Then fooled around importing it. It was huge! I had to scale back to 29% and have it import on the ground in order for it to line up automatically with david. Last, I got it into the setup room and had to fool around a bit to get to what you see. Now I have to read the book a bit. My tendency would be to start deleting bones of the upper body to get them out of the way, and then go from there (whatever that means!). But for all I know this is exactly the WRONG thing to do. So I have to read. At least I got this far, and I am learning about P5 which so far is easier to use than I thought it might be. BastBlack: Thanks for the tips. I will check them out as soon as I make a bit more progress here. nOs4ra2: That sounds great!