The render that is :o) (Jessi says, "I can see the hair on my arm grow!") Answer is it took almost 2 whole Marilyn Manson tracks. Huh?? you say. Well, lol, when I'd started the render I got to looking for something to time it with. No watch, clock, not even a cell phone! So all I had was a CD in the player - Marilyn Manson. Started it up and kept an eye on time elapsed.... 6 minutes exactly, not bad at all. Firefly with shadows on, etc. Bunches of lights, an old light set from P5. P4 2,5 GHz with 1 GB RAM. She's hi-res and she's wearing her default tex. Nice figure, a nit muscular for my liking but still. App still rock solid, no hangs, nothing. It reacts a bit slowly sometimes when I change folders to look for poses and so on, but at least not worse than P5, I don't think. :] Fish