turned off my second monitor in the settings just to check and still same problem. I email CL but have no illusions as to how long it might take them to respond. Oh well, I will enjoy all the postings tonight that you all provide and hope they know what the issue is. I have never crashed poser 5 or any other program for that matter (unless doing something really stupid like trying to render 10 textured poser figures or something like that) Thanks again, if you want to take a break from rendering and try your mind on my issues I appreciate it.