Let me do you a service and arm with the tools needed to attack my point.

In regards to this:
Qualien: "We create deviancy, we create predators, by misguided methods of trying to stop them..." Speak for yourself, pinky. Maybe you create them, but I never created a single one. Your philosophy is long-discredited Marxist environmental determinism.

The philosopher in question is not Karl Marx, but Michael Foucault. The concept I mentioned, that we create our own deviants by first defining what is deviant and thus forcing people to think about so they can know it was put forth in his book "History of Sexuality" which is highly regarded in political science, psychology, criminal justice, and sexuality circles on both the right and the left. There have been many attempts to attack it on both sides, none of which have managed to tear down the basics of the above point, though they have shredded many of his other ideas for one ideology or another...

Thusly armed, you can go and read that, or read one of the attacks on it, and then post your attack somewhere, PM me, and I'll come an read it and see you've managed to convince me I or he was wrong.

The idea is simple: we create crime by first defining it, and in doing so we force ourselves to think about it, and that leads us to change previously acceptable behavior into newly deviant paths - which gets worse and worse the more we try to hammer out the definitions. In places Foucault gets quite scary with this, and in place he can show us how we take something normal - how we think about children without a sexual thought in the world - and suddenly make it very different - seeing everything children do as sexual.

The TOS is just one small example of that.

There is -NOTHING- sexual about children running around in their underwear, being nursed by their mothers, taking a bubble bath, or even having dog pull at the bottom of their swimsuit...

But by lumping these things together with sex, they become sexual, and suddenly we cannot even look at our children without thinking about what nasty things might be done to them... we rob them and ourselves of their childhood by doing this. And it is all fought out in little steps like this one here.

Message edited on: 03/21/2005 21:55

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