If you download a free "model" for Vickie, you will have to have the original model from Zygote or the downloaded model won't work. Vickie to me is just a basic start. She does more than the P4 female, has more standard stuff to work with. You have a ton of face morphs to work with, and although some people think she's ugly, I just look at both her and Michael as a blank canvas. I still use the p4 female and male and I use morphs for them, but to me it isn't the same. You should go to some of the galleries and see what folks have done with her and I think you will understand. Also, you don't need to buy everything for her right away, there are a lot of free textures here at Renderosity to get you started. Also if you download a mixed model like Eve you will need the Vickie model. Hope this helps. I'm not pushing you to buy her, just letting you know why I did. 8^) Marque There are no stupid questions.