just to answer your comments BlueLotus7. I'm not sure if you've managed to look past the end of your nose but there is more to renderosity than the kind of rubbish we are discussing on this thread and that is one of the reasons why I am here. Yes art is about creativity, I don't call downloading/buying models and clothing then throwing them into hastily constructed scenes with poor lighting and crappy composition creativity - do you? I'm not offended by tasteful art and I'd be the first to defend any genuine artist who felt they were being prosecuted but just because people have the tools, brushes, paints, software etc doesn't give anybody the right to call themselves an artist. Censorship has only become neccessary because of the direction the galleries were taking. When the merchants here are advertising "young teen" models and accessories to download you have to ask what is their primary market - or is it just me that finds that distasteful? (just as a reference it's not just me and the Daz newsletter has been the source of discussion on several forums). sooner or later if you push the boundaries you have to expect those charged with keeping things acceptable to the majority to react. Andy