BlueLotus7, I find your attitude amazing. Bercause I disagree with you and express an opinion about the quality of work on display I'm told by you to "go away" now I call that rude - it would be a strange world if every critic who disliked anything was immediately dismissed as not worthy of having an opinion :) Anybody who places their work on public display leaves it open to critique. I don't have to like it and I'm not duty bound to say how wonderful stuff is when quite frankly it's not. Of course, I was a beginner and of course I'm still learning - I find that teaching others helps me understand the software I'm using a lot better and anybody who knows me will tell you that I am more than willing to provide time and support to anybody who asks (another of your rash and incredibly innacurate assumptions shot down in flames). I wasn't rude I just made an observation. I didn't insult (or name) anybody. I made the point (which numerous people have agreed with by private message) that the genre of "work" that is classed as art is somewhat dubious and the quality for the most part is awful. Many of the images are hackneyed, corny pastiches of stuff that wouldn't have looked out of place on a 1970's Athena poster. Andy