I think you are missing my point in this. I agree that the file is not optimized and it is large and yes there is a lot of other tools and many ways around any problem. It is not like I have not managed to do anyting with Poser 5. I am sure if I rebuild the file from scratch I may have more luck. The point is that I payed a lot of money for Poser 5 even if it was cheaper than anyting alse and Curious Labs gave us a great upgrade deal but, by and lage I still have nothing for my money. The free DAZ studio beta is now more sucessful at taking this file and rendering it than Poser it self. Yes DAZ studio has a long way to go still. The point is Poser still does not understand what needs to be accomplished. I would have settled for active suport for EMC and the likes, MAT file creation and a easy to browse library. Right from the begining Poser 5 ran into problems for not creating a program that works but, adding all maner of new things. Poser 6 is supose to have taken this advise. I see no sighn of that. DAZ studio has a better idea of wich way to aim. I just hope it gets there. Poser 6 is not it.