Dale, Several hundred bugs FIXED in the last few weeks requires a full test of the product before release. Period. A fix in one area can and often does create a problem in another area. That's WHY you do another test. Bugs are a fact of life. They get fixed, but several hundred in the last few weeks before release points to the need for further testing. If the release was still in beta tester's hands, the product shouldn't have gone gold. It shouldn't have had a release date announced. It shouldn't have been released. Effectivly, all the pre-release purchasers have again become beta testers. CL also addressed the issues in P5. Well, most of them. Eventually. Of course, this was after the President of CL admitted in public that they released it with known problems because they needed the cash (against his wishes). Of course, promised content was never delivered, and some things never got fixed. Side note: The few posts I've seen of P6 renders look great. So did the few done with P5 at it's release. I want P6. I want it badly. It looks like it will eventually be a great product. I'll wait until the first service pack is released, and it can be installed without turning off my firewall though.