okay, that is a red flag. yggdrasil, I won't have my P6 for a week, I'm sure by the time the box gets here etc. I of course will run the Burton test against my current 159 seconds for P5 on my AMD 3500. I will also run some of my own files, as you did. If P6 FireFly has been hit with some sort of setback given no change in settings, that is a serious serious reason for me (and many) to either voice concern or not upgrade. I can put up with most of the new features being not useful, or models not right for me, but I can't upgrade if the basic render core execution has taken a hit for no reason. ::::: Opera :::::