Hi Opera We have an independent business. We just managed to wrangle a late pre-release copy from CL for compatibility testing but unfortuanetly too late for any credible beta testing. Overall though I should add that P6 seems extremely stable and I was one of those who found P5 to be seriously problematic in it initial release. Even with the resource usage issues I would still recommend P4/P5 users picking it up earlier rather than later, if there are large scenes that P6 currently chokes on you can always revert to your previous version, but in the meantime on lighter scenes you can certainly spoil yourself with the new features. BTW [as an aside] I forgot to mention that personally one really promising new feature that I don't think has had a mention yet is the new Gather node in the material room. I plug it into the raytracing input (there isn't a wacro) for quite credible fake radiosity effects. Bill