As with all this stuff, it sounds very time intensive to set up and would be incredibly time consuming rendering. There is the point at which I go "Wow" at the Vue images because I immediately relate doing that picture in any of the other apps I have and think, how long did this take, all those leaves!!! My god, Man, the hours!!! And granted, if it were done in Bryce it would be too heavy to sit through. Vue is Vue because it is set-up to make that happen. I assume there's some built in instancing so that the tree geometry doesn't bog down. Even Bryce trees use that same technique, still. I know CzarneyRobert has some long render times but he is recreating Poland on a molecular level so, go figure. I'm glad to hear CL is co-operating with someone because their bridge to LW never really worked for me but I heard that was code was outsourced to a third party. I have no idea if that has improved with P5 or P6 as I am still in PPP.