Thanks Carolly, i did need that .. I fixed supper and came back and realized ... the very first curve i made had WAY too many control points .. that error threw off everything else i tried to do ... i went back and redid the curve outlining the bottom of the foot uusing only 8 or 9 points and started focusing un SIMPLE! and i have a nice smooth boot. the more i look at it the more i'm thinking i'm just not gonna do shin guards. i' thinking about probably doin knee legnth fold down boots .... we'll see how it looks and go from there :)