Hey thank you for the look and the critique Carolly :) Steven also was quick to catch the fact that I spent no time whatsoever with the vicki chars armor. Both PosetteV3's had thier armors attended to in either thier texture maps or the Material options or both, and for the Sudi armor I simply imported and rendered. Not very fair to the modeller of the Sudi armor, and definately an imbalance in the render that needs to be addressed. The Saga of Re-re-re-etcetera-add-nausea-Uploading continues ;) Shadow realism has been a great and recurring challenge/problem for me in PPP. I think im gonna rip this render apart, and make a few changes: -Do the Sudi armor some justice in Mat options -Move the Keep back a bit, showing more of the buildings second floor windows, and pulling all the detail further away from the discerning eye ;) -Delete All 45+ of the lights one by one (sigh) and then when im pitch black, give a radiosity pro lightset a whirl and see how it does the shadows! Thank you for the advice, your's is always a tremendous benefit :) Oh btw, I was only ducking cause I didnt want to be walloped for being a shameless trollop and dragging people back for more views of the edits! Logan