Netherworks That is both a splendid offer and your tone is a refreshing combination of confronting the truth and not going into attack mode. You are right, a splendid, highly articulated mesh deserves great joints! I have been led to understand that the issue with the shoulders on the unimesh, on Judy-EJ and now with Jessi, is an intrinsic issue with Poser's joint SYSTEM itself, and that one should not expect a better result, that it is a compromise between natural appearance and range of motion, supposedly you can't have both in the Poser system, harsh compromise is required and usually range of motion wins, resulting in the bulging mesh at the shoulder and the inward curving arm. Can you speak to that? ::::: Opera :::::