dirk5027 where do you come up with this? randym, i'm gonna have to agree, it could take a month or 2 maybe more to get your boxed set Where do you live that it's going to take that long? lol It will get here when it gets here and I will have a printed manual to work with. I hate printing pdf's out. Just relax and realize that you made the choice not CL, they didn't twist anyone's arm to go boxed as opposed to download. Marque