Crazydawgs moan about the help he gets on this forum really p.....d me off. Doing a search, (yes, I felt that strongly about it) I came up with only one request for feedback on a WIP, which was answered without any mention of Wings, PSP etc. and a request for a tut, which got a reply. What more do you want, CD? This is the most helpful forum Ive ever seen. Madmaxs reply was a model of good sense and reason, but just lately Ive been very disillusioned by the goings on in this forum and others on Rendo. Im not going to throw the dummy and close my gallery, etc. but doubt Ill add to it and its been some time since I felt the need to join in here.