Hi! Ok, I gave the "trial" version of UF a go, and really am frustrated enough with it to NOT want to purchase a license to use it. Yes, one BIG frustration was solved when it became apperent that it installed itself TWICE on my computer. One full install in c:programe files (default with the install) and another in c:my documents!!! Needless to say, this caused a fair bit of confusion for a week untill I finnally SAW the pathway (rather than the ole glance and it looks right looks). I am using Apophysis. Fun programe, even if it has its little annoyances. I've NO idea at all how people get feathers and mesh (other than my shear accident) from Apo, I seam to get actuall pictures of things like bicycles lol. So, ah, ya, Hi! :D